Monday, October 29, 2007

Graphic card upgradability. All models which can be upgraded r listed here

Three compatibility types

Three different types of compatibility can be distinguished. Firstly, there is obviously the mechanical leg. Closely related is the thermal leg, and finally there's the software part. Information is very hard to get by, but what we have, you get!

However, please keep in mind that as long as manufacturers do not explicitly advertise that their laptop GPU's are MXM parts, they are in no way obliged to adhere to the rules Nvidia has drafted in their specifications. Furthermore, even if MXM is explicitly mentioned, there is no way to enforce full compatibility. In short, we once again stress the information contained in this page is for your viewing pleasure but does not guarantee anything.

Update (24 august 2007): Guess what: even if manufacturers advertise their notebook as MXM, that still doesn't give any guarantee it will work with other MXM hardware!

Mechanical and thermal

MXM System Type

Module Compatibility

Maximum GPU Size

Thermal Compatibility

I

I

35mm x 35mm

I

II

I,II

35mm x 35mm

II

III

I,II

III

35mm x 35mm

40mm x 40mm

II

III

IV

?

?

?

HE

I,II,

III,HE

35mm x 35mm

40mm x 40mm

II

HE

This is the table as it is provided by Nvidia. The 'Module Compatibility' is fairly straight forward: all modules of a 'lower' type can be mounted on a given MXM type motherboard. Practically, this means that the mounting holes that fit on the standoffs on the motherboard are always on the same spot.

The 'Thermal Compatibility' column seems less straightforward. First off all, this could mean a number of things. Is this about thermal capacity? Or rather about the mounting of the thermal solution. MXM Upgrade believes this it's the last .Unfortunately, , the table as it is provided by Nvidia seems not to match the mechanical dimensions they provide in the mechanical specifications document that can be found on this page. Apart from memory thermal pads that may require an increase in size, which is a rather minor issue, the determining factor to know whether the thermal solution will fit would seem to be the positioning of the mounting holes provided for the heatsink.

There are always four of these holes positioned around the GPU, but for Type I and II the upper left hole is positioned at 55,3mm from the bottom left corner, while Type III and HE feature the same hole at 60,5mm. We assume there are two possible explanations. One would be that there are more mechanical types than there are listed in the Nvidia document, namely a subtype of both Type III and HE. This 'subtype' would feature the overall dimensions of the 'mothertype', but it would provide the same mounting holes of Type II and it would feature the same GPU size.

Another possibility would be that the Nvidia made a mistake. Type I thermal solutions can be only mounted on Type II cards, and Type III is only compatible with Type HE. Keep in mind that this only takes the mounting holes into account. There' s still component height, thermal keep outs to consider after that.

We believe that there the first explanation is the right one. The overall Type III dimensions will have thermal provisions for either a Type /III thermal interface or for a Type III thermal interface.

That means that before you ever order an upgrade card Type III for your laptop, you must check your thermal interface's mounting provisions!

Update (24 august 2007): We included Type IV for good measure, but we have no idea about compatibility.

Software

Video Bios

The Video Bios is in the only place it can be, namely in a ROM on the MXM card itself. Indeed, as the MXM card can be removed/upgraded, this is the only way to ensure a matching Video Bios is loaded in the system. The Video Bios is a function of the actual card, and therefore it is logical that it is a part of it.

MXM information

All relevant information regarding the laptop must be communicated to the MXM. This information includes

  • Notebook output configuration.
  • Video out configuration.
  • MXM heatsink thermal rating.
  • Notebook power supply capabilities.

The output configuration is used to 'tell' the MXM what kind of panel is attached, if a DVI out is present, if there's TV out, what type it is etc.

The heatsink rating tells the MXM how much power the heatsink can evacuate, the power supply capability parameters tell the MXM how much electrical power the notebook can supply. The MXM may throttle it's speed if these numbers are not sufficient. We have no information whether notebook manufactureres actually use this information. This could be a source of incompatibility.

At least some of the Thermal Throttling for the MXM is currently only supported through Windows.

The above described information can be store in two places: either on a separate ROM on the motherboard, directly connected to the MXM, or as a space in the systembios. The latter offers easier tweaking, you might try the bios of a comparable laptop, but it is also the more dangerous option.

Caution!

As pointed out before, laptop manufacturers are not forthcoming about their laptop's MXM properties. The list you will find below is a compilation of information that can be found all over the internet. MXM-Upgrade has put great effort in verifying all the information as much as possible, but please understand that there might still be errors in the list.

So, before you go out and buy a laptop based on the information below, please understand that MXM-Upgrade does not guarantee this information to be correct, and neither do we accept any responsibility for any damage to your computer or any data and equipment damaged or lost in the process.

We are always looking to improve our database, so if you have more information about MXM laptops or if you wish to correct an error, do not hesitate to contact us!

Manufacturer

Model

MXM?

Type?

Notes

ABS

Mayhem G4 Revolution

yes

II

Actually Uniwill 259. Upgraded to 7600!

Acer

Aspire 5920G

Yes

II

Santa Rosa

Aspire 4520G

Yes

I

Ahtec

Signal 259M

Yes

II

Actually Uniwill 259. Upgraded to 7600!

Signal 810M

Yes

III

Actually Arima W810-DCX

Storm 830 SLI

Yes

III

Actually Arima W830

Anynote

W740T

Yes

II

Quanta?

Apple

iMac 24"

No

II

Correct formfactor, no compatibility. Read here.

Arima

W810-DCX

Yes

III

W820-Di

Yes

?

W830

Yes

?

SLI !

ASI

Amata 1559

Yes

I and II (?)

Actually Aopen 1559

Addict

HyperAddict

Yes

II

Actually Uniwill 259. Upgraded to 7600!

Z81SP

Yes

III

Actually Asus Z81sp

Alienware

Area-51 m5500

Yes

II

Actually Uniwill 259. Upgraded to 7600!

Area-51 m5700

Yes

III

Actually Uniwill P71EN0

Upgraded to x1800. Upgraded to 7900GS 512MB

Aurora m9700

Yes

III

Actually Arima W830

Aurora m9750

Yes

III

SLI

Area-51 m5550

Yes

III

Area-51 m5750

Yes

III

Aopen

1559-JL

Yes

I(?) or II(?)

Asus

Z81s

Yes

III

Upgraded to X1800


A4S

Yes

III

Upgraded to X1800

Z84

Yes

III

Upgraded to 7900GS 512MB

C90

Yes

II

Lamborghini VX2S

?

?

To be confirmed

Averatec

6671

Yes

III

Actually Uniwill

6500

Yes

?

BenQ

Joybook R55

Yes

?

Cebop

Hel 750

Yes

I/II

Actually Uniwill 259. Upgraded to 7600!

Clevo

D900C

Yes

IV

SLI

D901C

Yes

IV

M570RU

Yes

IV

Compal

IFL90

Yes

II

Santa Rosa. DX10. Compatibility to be confirmed.

CompAmerica

Orca 9000

Probably

?

COBRA/MIB 2550

Yes

III

CyberPower

X5-6700

Yes

II

X5-7000

Yes

?

ECS

910

Yes

III

G610

Yes

II

Evesham

Voyager C520

Yes

?

Quest Nemesis

Yes

?

Actually Arima W830

Fujitsu-Siemens

Amilo M3438G

Yes

III

Upgraded to x1800! Upgraded to 7900GS 512MB

Amilo M4438G

Yes

III

Upgraded to x1800! Upgraded to 7900GS 512MB.

Amilo M1437

Yes

III

Upgraded to 6800! Same as 3434

Amilo M1439

Yes

III


Amilo M 1450

?

I


Amilo M 1451

?

I

Amilo M6453

Yes

I

Amilo A1667

Yes

I(II?)

We verified that there's enough room to fit a Type III card.

Amilo A3667

Yes

I or II(?)

Amilo Pi 1536

Yes

III

Upgraded to 7900GS 512MB.X1800

Amilo Xi 1546

Yes

III

Amilo X 2428

Yes

II

DX10

Gateway

MX-8525

Yes

III

We have been telling our costumers upgrades are not possible for some time. But now we have a user upgrading his 8550 to a x1900 and so we don't know anymore.

Users who want to give the x1900 a go in their notebook, drop us a line!

MX-8523

Yes

III

NX-850XL

Yes

III

NX-860XL

Yes

III

NX- 8510gz

Yes

III(?)

8550GB

Yes

III

Upgraded to x1900

Gigabyte

W551N

maybe

?

W756N

maybe

?

Hi-Grade

Notino C7000s-2000

Yes

I

HP

nx9420/nw9440

Yes

III

Check out the

xw460c

?

?

Server blade with MXM

8510

Yes

II

8710

Yes

III

iBuyPower

Battalion 101 ML-Turbo

Yes

?

Z81-SP

Yes

III

Actually Asus Z81-sp

ITC

Millenia 8000 series

Yes

?

Actually Arima W810

Jewel

Diamond 2600

Yes

?

Actually Uniwill 259.

Medion

95257

Yes

?

Actually Arima W810.

Mitac

MiNote 8050QD

Yes

II

MiNote 8000dx

Yes

?

MSI

L745

Yes

II

L735

Yes

II

M677

Yes

II

GX7x0

Yes

?

DX10

Packard Bell

Easynote W7

?

II

Correct formfactor, questions regarding

Easynote MX66

?

?

?

Pioneer Computers

DreamVision LV190 VIIV 19"

Yes

II

LCD PC

PC Club

ENP611

Yes

II

Polaris

XP.701M

Yesy

?

Uniwill?

Polywell

PolyNote MXM915AS

Yes

?

PolyNote 915P4-MXM

Yes

?

PolyNote T714NS-MXM

Yes

?

PolyNote T512NS-MXM

Yes

?

PowerPro

G 3:11

Yes

?

Actually Quanta MW1A

G 3:8

Yes

?

J 10:15

Yes

II

Actually Compal IFL90. Compatibility to be confrimed.

Quanta

KN1-PM

Yes

II

No Compatibility

MW1A

Yes

?

Rock

Pegassus 650

Yes

I or II

Actually Uniwill 259. \

Santech

V2480

?

II

According to manufacturer

Shuttle

XPC x100

Yes

II

Upgraded to X1800

Targa

Hornet-72

Yes

III

Uniwill chasis

Tarox

Lightpad 1030

Yes

?

Lightpad 1080

Yes

II

With a 6200. Should handle a 6600 without problems. Visit the store.

Toshiba

Satellite A105 series

Yes

Uh..

Kinda.

Uniwill

259EA1

Yes

I or II

P71EN0

Yes

III


Vega

x72

Yes

III

Uniwill notebook

Vestel

?

?

?

Vigor

Ares

Yes

I or II

Actually Uniwill 259

Zepto

6615WD

?

?

Check out the page

3415W

Yes

II

Actually Compal IFL90. Compatibility to be confirmed

Last update oktober 2th 2007

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